Readercon — Sunday, July 20th…
Posted in Readercon on July 22nd, 2008[Note: We didn’t get in until 3:30 am Monday morning so things were a bit strange today catching up and getting our mail from the post office, unpacking, and not having anywhere near enough spoons to last the day–so this post is a bit late.]
We need to check out today before the convention ends so we’re up and getting packed. I’m going to enter the panels that I will be at this morning and afternoon and then add the detail later. After the convention we intend to drive to Providence, RI to visit my son Geoff for an hour or so before heading out for Maryland and home. Today is going to be a long day for us. So far, we’ve packed most of the room and I’m writing this while getting my first cup of coffee.

10:00 am The Aesthetics of Online Magazines. Leah Bobet, Ellen Datlow, Ernest Lilley, Nick Mamatas (L), Sean Wallace. Online magazines are a growing section of the speculative fiction marketplace. But is there more to an online magazine than simply publishing in pixels stories that would otherwise be printed on pulp? How have online magazines adapted to the new medium in terms of story subjects, story length, design, and the attraction and maintenance of audiences? How do these choices differ from those made by print magazines producers? If the medium is the message, then what is the message of Internet-based magazines?
Discussion covered screen sizes, whether people would read stories longer than 5,000 words (studies show they don’t but studies also show they don’t read longer stories in print magazines either), the problem of moving from print to screen, whether it was time to change from straight narrative to hyper-stack stories, and so on and so on. Basically, all the problems and possibilities were discussed but no set of recommendations were formed only more issues to consider.

12:00 (noon) You Got Spec Fic in My Romance! (And Vice Versa!) Victoria Janssen (L), Nina Harper, Mary Kay Kare, Terry McGarry, Gayle Surrette, Nancy Werlin) Discussion. One of the hottest romance sub-genres at the moment is paranormal, which encompasses everything from vampires to valkyries, werewolves to gargoyles, men who are cursed and women who carry demons on their skin. Many of the more recent paranormals, such as those by Patricia Briggs and Eileen Wilks, arguably have more fantasy then romance. Is paranormal “true” speculative fiction? How often do readers cross genres? Are Paranormal romances and speculative fiction showing cross-genre pollination in their content?
What is paranormal romance? How does it differ from Romance? How does it differ from fantasy or science fiction? What makes a paranormal romance (romance, fantasy/sf/horror, story, strong characters, good writing)? Lots of lively discussion about what the panel and the audience liked. I was on this panel but there was just so much to talk about — it’s a big area and still doesn’t yet have its parameters carved in stone. What is paranormal romance to you? I’d love to hear about it.

2:00 Magic and Myth in Human Culture and Fantastic Fiction. Judith Berman & Sarah Micklem with discussion by Andrea Hairston, Elaine Isaak, Michaela Roessner, Sarah Smith, Gayle Surrette, Sonya Taaffe, Ann Tonsor Zeddies, et al. Talk/Discussion. Within our cultures, humans create consensus views of what is real and what is not, and these views are both explanations and operational (curses, oracles, germs, electricity). The modern scientific model of reality excludes the beliefs and experiences of many people around the world, not to mention in most of human history. How do we, as writers, step outside our own worldview to create imaginary cultures in which magic is a fact of life? Berman will talk about anthropological understandings of magic and myth, and issues of authenticity and appropriation, while Micklem will share some sources, primary and anthropological, that influenced her own fiction.
Micklem and Berman discussed culture, folk tales, charlatans, pragmatism, magic/reality, mind/body, and other issue. How to make a consistent, working system for world-building — it’s more than saying magic exists. You have to deal with magic as an intricate part of the lives, beliefs, and culture of the people of your world. Lots of audience participation and discussion. This could have been a lot longer session and still it would have just skimmed the surface. I really learned a lot from this one.
After this panel, we hopped in the car and started for Providence. Paul and Ern had packed the car while I was in the last panel session since the Dealers’ Room closed at 2pm. [Hyperion here: Just closed the back hatch when it started to rain. So I got wet, but none of the book boxes did.] We spent about 2 hours in Providence — took my son out to supper and caught up on what he’s doing and the family. Then it was back in the car for the drive to Maryland. We managed to drive all the way in one go (with stops for bathroom, coffee, and stretches). We’d planned to swap off the driving among the three of us but forgot to leave room to move the driver’s seat back so that Ern could do his share of the driving (his knees hit the dashboard (what were we thinking– it was a long weekend). But we managed to get into MD about 3:30 am. We simply crashed and slept and Ern headed home after helping Paul unload the car.
We declared Readercon lots of fun. Had a great time talking to friends new and old. We’re already looking forward to next year.


Well, it’s sort of granted that I should break in here. I was honored to be asked to sit in on this panel, and it was a great deal of fun, despite the rather large number of participants. When Michael Daley was pitching the idea to me during the summer, we thought there would just be three of us. Then when we arrived the other day, we find that there will be eight. Oops! Slight change in plans. But I think it went really well. The conversation zipped back and forth across the table, with no single person hogging the spot light. And with the experience of the authors from seasoned professionals to relative newcomers, to one lone, non-published (but with 10 chapters written!) reviewer, I think a solid array of opinions were espoused. And, I think I managed not to embarrass myself. Okay, back to Gayle …
11 am Over the Hills in Farah’s Way: Four Categories of Fantasy: Gregory Frost (L), Ellen Asher, Greer Gilman, Sarah Micklem, John Clute. Every Readercon attendee is urged to pick up and devour a copy of Farah Mendlesohn’s Rhetoric of Fantasy, in which she describes four types of fantasy distinguished by the relationship of the protagonists, and hence the reader, to the fantasy world. In the portal-quest fantasy (The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe or Lord of the Rings), the protagonists leave their mundane world and cross through to the fantastic, and the protagonists and reader discover and understand the new world together. In the immersive fantasy (Perdido Street Station or The Iron Dragon’s Daughter), the fantastic is presented without comment or explanation as the norm for both the protagonist and reader. The intrusion fantasy (Dracula or most of Lovecraft’s short fiction) is in many ways the opposite of the portal-quest: the fantastic enters the ordinary world, where it is met by awe, shock, amazement, or the like. (Most intrusion fantasies are horror, but there are interesting exceptions.) In the liminal fantasy (Hope Mirrlee’s Lud-in-the-Mist or Little, Big) there might be an intrusion into the ordinary world, but the reader is disoriented, estranged, or challenged by the casualness with which the protagonists accept the intrusion or by their doubt of its reality. We’ll discuss the usefulness of the taxonomy and look at each of the categories, highlighting the most interesting of Mendlesohn’s insights.
The pocket program had a different title but I made it to the panel anyway. I’ve read about one-third of Farah’s book. What I’ve learned from reading so far is that it stops me and makes me think of the fantasy I’ve read and whether most of what I’ve read can be placed in one of her categories. The panel talked about the misfits or outliers to this division. However, John Clute mentioned that all ideas are wrong because you can always find things that don’t fit or don’t fit well, but that an idea that throws light on the subject and is a starting point for discussion and classification is always worth while (I’m paraphrasing so this is my interpretation of what he said). These four ways that the fantastic come into a story are not vertical divisions by more layers or talking points about how the fantastic interacts with the reader and/or the protagonists.
12:00 (noon) Generation Dark: Holly Black (L), Nick Mamatas, M.M. Buckner, Cassandra Clare, Don D’Ammassa, Nathan Ballingrud. There’s some anecdotal evidence that the readership for horror and dark fantasy is younger than the readership for the rest of the field, and this shifting demographic is also reflected in our guest list. To what extent is the boom in young writers and readers of dark fantasy a reflection of the darkness of the times? And to what extent are we simply seeing the first generation to grow up with horror as a successful commercial genre and Stephen King as an icon? What other factors are in play?
3:00 pm The Critical Review: Griffin, Gorgon, or Sphinx? David G. Hartwell, Elizabeth Hand, Gary K. Wolfe (L), Farah Mendlesohn, John Clute. The book review and the critical literary study serve fundamentally different purposes. Yet SF book reviews have frequently contained valuable critical insights: it’s hard to avoid having them if you’re a perceptive reader, and hard to leave them out of a review. We’ll look at the history and techniques of the critical review and assess just how comfortably the two components have gotten along. What does the continued practice of the hybrid form say about the nature of the reading experience and the way we talk about books.
4:00 pm Objects in a Room May be Scarier Than They Appear. Delia Sherman (L), John Clute, Kit Reed, Lucy Corin, Paul Tremblay. “The description in crime fiction of domestic interiors, furnishings and possessions…is often crucial to the plot. In Agatha Cristie, for example, we can be confident that almost any domestic article mentioned, however commonplace, will provide a clue, either true or false.”–P.D. James. Objects in a room in SF or fantasy are clues to the world-building, while in much contemporary fiction they are class and status markers and hence clues to character. What about the objects in a room (and by extension the entire described environment) in a horror or slipstream story? How often are they clues, and clues to what? Or is the very cluelessness of the environment part of what creates the horror or facilitates the slippage.
7:00 pm Waking Up Sober Next to a Story Idea. Kay Kenyon, Jennifer Pelland, Jeffrey A. Carver (L), Paolo Bacigalupi, David Anthony Durham, Allan Steele. Really, it seemed absolutely beautiful once upon a time. Now that you’ve had intimate knowledge of it (say, midway through the novel), you can see all the less-than-flattering sides. You may even wonder, What the hell was I thinking? How do you recover enthusiasm for the work? Now that you see the flaws, how do you begin the process of fixing them?









Wolfe led off talking about the gazillion of definitions of science fiction that are out there. He’s broken them down into three types: functional definitions, rhetorical definitions, and theoretical definitions. Under functional he mentioned David Hartwell’s definition in the Year’s Best… that (paraphrase here) science fiction is what a chronic reader would recognize as science fiction.
Since several of the people in the audience and officially in the discussion have an academic background the topic was interesting because of their belief that a common language for discussion would benefit the genre as a whole.
Just got back from the Saturday shopping and found my Readercon schedule in my email. Here’s what I’m going to be involved in. Of course, we’re arriving on Thursday early evening hopefully in time to get our table set up in the Dealer’s Room.